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ForeverFFA:
Does anyone else get at least mildly annoyed that people outside this community (in popular culture, opinion articles, and even some research papers) tend to implicitly and sometimes explicitly assume that FAs can only be male? And do people have any ideas about why that assumption is so strongly rooted?


It’s misogyny, plain and simple, and I don’t think it’s unique to FAs either, I see it in vanilla stuff all the time too. Women get treated as sexual objects for men to pursue rather than full human beings with sexual agency, even in media portrayals where a woman initiates a relationship with a man it’s often framed as a sexy fantasy for men rather than focusing on the woman’s personal feelings about the situation. Since FAs are a smaller population, it’s just more starkly noticeable. It sucks.
1 year

Feeling a tad invisible

ForeverFFA:
Does anyone else get at least mildly annoyed that people outside this community (in popular culture, opinion articles, and even some research papers) tend to implicitly and sometimes explicitly assume that FAs can only be male? And do people have any ideas about why that assumption is so strongly rooted?


Basically fat guys aren't seen as sex symbols. They're often portrayed as slobs and not too bright. So why would women be attracted to them? Yet how many women fatten up their man? Intentionally or not. There are definitely FFAs out there, but for whatever reason its taboo.
1 year

Feeling a tad invisible

ForeverFFA:
Does anyone else get at least mildly annoyed that people outside this community (in popular culture, opinion articles, and even some research papers) tend to implicitly and sometimes explicitly assume that FAs can only be male? And do people have any ideas about why that assumption is so strongly rooted?


It's very annoying. Every time I see an outsider talk about feedism, it's always "men getting off on fattening up women." The heteronormativity is strong.

In most media, men only want a fat woman because of control reasons. He's not attracted to her so much as he thinks a "lesser woman" is more willing to put up with his bullshit than a "conventional woman." Meanwhile, the media shows women going after fat men as gold diggers. After all, who'd want a fat man unless he was super rich or had some social capital?

The only exception to this thinking is if the people involved are a specific kind of POC, like a black person or Polynesian. The thinking there is, "Well, of course, they want a fatty. They're all lazy and gluttonous. It makes perfect sense." But that's less about kink and more about fatphobia having a strong racial component to it as well.


That said, I think the biggest reason why the media thinks the way it does hearkens back to an earlier time in the community. As bad as the female FA/feeder representation is now, it used to be a lot worse. The popular feedist spaces were male-dominated and adhered to very rigid gender roles. There wasn't even a lot of bhm content unless you went into gay spaces. There were some FFA/BHM spaces, but they were hardly as popular.

We as a community have done a piss poor job at improving the representation too. I remember coming across an interview earlier this year where a podcast interviewed a female feedee to get more insight into the community. And while it was an overall good interview, the feedee explicitly stated that men where feeders and women are feedees.
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Male sexuality drives markets, so imo its supply and demand that drives the discrepancy between female fa/feeder. There’s simply less women who like fat guys then there are men who are fa/feeders.

Where it doesn’t make sense is in our own spaces. Like it should be a given that there are feedees and feeders of all types.
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Morbidly A Beast:
Male sexuality drives markets, so imo its supply and demand that drives the discrepancy between female fa/feeder. There’s simply less women who like fat guys then there are men who are fa/feeders.

Where it doesn’t make sense is in our own spaces. Like it should be a given that there are feedees and feeders of all types.


Gonna push back on there being fewer women who like fat guys.

www.fatherly.com/health/romantic-advantages-for-fat-guys

www.fatherly.com/health/romantic-advantages-for-fat-guys

www.fatherly.com/health/romantic-advantages-for-fat-guys

And this is just the mainstream side of things.

As for the kinky side of things, your average female feeder/FA isn't going to be out in the open like I am. Either she'll lurk online or she'll take it irl. Of course, irl can be very tricky. Can't tell you how many times I've crossed paths with a fat cutie only to be friend-zoned because they refuse to believe a conventionally attractive woman would ever be interested in them.

It's rather sad.

I will agree that it is vital to the community to have more diversity. It's gotten better in some regards, but more work needs to be done.
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Munchies:
Gonna push back on there being fewer women who like fat guys.

www.fatherly.com/health/romantic-advantages-for-fat-guys

www.fatherly.com/health/romantic-advantages-for-fat-guys

www.fatherly.com/health/romantic-advantages-for-fat-guys

And this is just the mainstream side of things.

As for the kinky side of things, your average female feeder/FA isn't going to be out in the open like I am. Either she'll lurk online or she'll take it irl. Of course, irl can be very tricky. Can't tell you how many times I've crossed paths with a fat cutie only to be friend-zoned because they refuse to believe a conventionally attractive woman would ever be interested in them.

It's rather sad.

I will agree that it is vital to the community to have more diversity. It's gotten better in some regards, but more work needs to be done.


I mean strictly in the context of men viewing and engaging in content of this nature online compared to their female counterparts. Granted there is just less content of that nature online just in general.

And it’s understandable why women are less vocal in these spaces cuz creeps and weirdos.
1 year

Feeling a tad invisible

ForeverFFA:
Does anyone else get at least mildly annoyed that people outside this community (in popular culture, opinion articles, and even some research papers) tend to implicitly and sometimes explicitly assume that FAs can only be male? And do people have any ideas about why that assumption is so strongly rooted?

RobbyP:
"I rarely hear women talk openly about body-types they're into. When bodyfat percentage and musclemass to height ratios are normalized, males tend to have a more similar shape to one another than females. With less variety, there'd be fewer opportunities for any body-based fetishes to have outlets for straight women who have them, i.e. a hypothetical one who's into hips wider than shoulders will probably never see a guy who has them, since such a guy probably doesn't exist. I imagine it'd also be more boring for straight female fas, since fat guys tend to look alot more similar in general shape.

If someone has never seen something they regularly imagine, they'll talk about it less often than something they have seen. If rarely, then still less often.

On top of all that, men's clothes generally only accentuate shoulders and arms. We have straighter curves on average."


What a weird way to say you don't talk people. Men have a lot of body diversity. And women are very vocal about our body preferences. And we will 100% tell men if we find them attractive or not and why.
1 year

Feeling a tad invisible

ForeverFFA:
Does anyone else get at least mildly annoyed that people outside this community (in popular culture, opinion articles, and even some research papers) tend to implicitly and sometimes explicitly assume that FAs can only be male? And do people have any ideas about why that assumption is so strongly rooted?

RobbyP:
"I rarely hear women talk openly about body-types they're into. When bodyfat percentage and musclemass to height ratios are normalized, males tend to have a more similar shape to one another than females. With less variety, there'd be fewer opportunities for any body-based fetishes to have outlets for straight women who have them, i.e. a hypothetical one who's into hips wider than shoulders will probably never see a guy who has them, since such a guy probably doesn't exist. I imagine it'd also be more boring for straight female fas, since fat guys tend to look alot more similar in general shape.

If someone has never seen something they regularly imagine, they'll talk about it less often than something they have seen. If rarely, then still less often.

On top of all that, men's clothes generally only accentuate shoulders and arms. We have straighter curves on average."

ForeverFFA:
Straight women absolutely do discuss men's bodies--they just don't tend to do it directly in front of them in most contexts since they sense that would be kind of weird. My question isn't so much why don't FFAs exist (since I know from personal experience that they do) but rather why they seem to be forgotten even when they're speaking up or otherwise drawing attention to their existence.

I also don't want to leave lesbian/bi FFAs out of this discussion.


So true, bestie. Our LGBTQIA+ sisters are out here fighting in the trenches every day. And you also can't forget trans women and femme-aligned NBs.

As for women not telling a man upfront if we think he's cute or not, I think it's more of a cultural thing.

I grew up in a military family, so I'm used to hanging around the military types. I am used to women being very upfront about if we find a man cute or not. I've seen women very brazenly tell a man they thinks he's sexy. I've seen women tell a man he looks ugly.

These days, I live in the South away from military spaces. People around here aren't so brazen - regardless of gender.
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Feeling a tad invisible

Munchies:
Gonna push back on there being fewer women who like fat guys.

www.fatherly.com/health/romantic-advantages-for-fat-guys

www.fatherly.com/health/romantic-advantages-for-fat-guys

www.fatherly.com/health/romantic-advantages-for-fat-guys

And this is just the mainstream side of things.

As for the kinky side of things, your average female feeder/FA isn't going to be out in the open like I am. Either she'll lurk online or she'll take it irl. Of course, irl can be very tricky. Can't tell you how many times I've crossed paths with a fat cutie only to be friend-zoned because they refuse to believe a conventionally attractive woman would ever be interested in them.

It's rather sad.

I will agree that it is vital to the community to have more diversity. It's gotten better in some regards, but more work needs to be done.

Morbidly A Beast:
I mean strictly in the context of men viewing and engaging in content of this nature online compared to their female counterparts. Granted there is just less content of that nature online just in general.

And it’s understandable why women are less vocal in these spaces cuz creeps and weirdos.


Ah. That makes more sense. Yes, I will agree with you on that.

Besides, women generally gravitate to erotica over any other sexual outlet. And if you want decent erotica, most women will go to places like DA or AO3 before we go to FF. Why? Because the bulk of the stories on FF are centered on the male gaze. DA and AO3 have more variety - with 70 - 80% of the writers on AO3 being female.
1 year

Feeling a tad invisible

Munchies:
Gonna push back on there being fewer women who like fat guys.

www.fatherly.com/health/romantic-advantages-for-fat-guys

www.fatherly.com/health/romantic-advantages-for-fat-guys

www.fatherly.com/health/romantic-advantages-for-fat-guys

And this is just the mainstream side of things.

As for the kinky side of things, your average female feeder/FA isn't going to be out in the open like I am. Either she'll lurk online or she'll take it irl. Of course, irl can be very tricky. Can't tell you how many times I've crossed paths with a fat cutie only to be friend-zoned because they refuse to believe a conventionally attractive woman would ever be interested in them.

It's rather sad.

I will agree that it is vital to the community to have more diversity. It's gotten better in some regards, but more work needs to be done.

Morbidly A Beast:
I mean strictly in the context of men viewing and engaging in content of this nature online compared to their female counterparts. Granted there is just less content of that nature online just in general.

And it’s understandable why women are less vocal in these spaces cuz creeps and weirdos.

Munchies:
Ah. That makes more sense. Yes, I will agree with you on that.

Besides, women generally gravitate to erotica over any other sexual outlet. And if you want decent erotica, most women will go to places like DA or AO3 before we go to FF. Why? Because the bulk of the stories on FF are centered on the male gaze. DA and AO3 have more variety - with 70 - 80% of the writers on AO3 being female.


What is AO3?

Is it the intimacy and being able to put yourselves into the scene that drive you towards eroticism?
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